We have a special treat for listeners, as we interview Peter James, the internationally bestselling author and creator of Detective Superintendent Roy Grace.
Discussed and mentioned
Brighton Rock (1938) Graeme Greene
Hotel (1965) Arthur Hailey
Grace (series, 2021- )
Dead in Three Two One (2026) Peter James
Dead Simple (2005) Peter James
On Writing (2000) Stephen King
Silence of the Lambs (1988) Thomas Harris
Slaughterhouse-Five (1969) Kurt Vonnegut
About Peter James
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| Sarah | Welcome to Clued in Mystery. I’m Sarah. |
| Brook | And I’m Brook, and we both love mystery. |
| Sarah | Hi, Brook. |
| Brook | Hi, Sarah. Well, we have such an exciting day today. We are delighted to welcome Peter James, the internationally bestselling author and creator of Detective Superintendent Roy Grace, who happens to be Queen Camilla’s favorite fictional detective. |
| Brook | Mr. James has sold more than 24 million books worldwide with 21 Sunday Times number one bestsellers. His work has earned numerous awards, including the prestigious Crime Writers Association Diamond Dagger. His Roy Grace novels have been adapted for both television and the stage, and in 2026, he was awarded an OBE for his contributions to literature and charity. Mr. James, we are honored to welcome you to Clued in Mystery. |
| Peter James | It’s great to be here. Thank you for having me on. |
| Sarah | So let’s begin, Peter, by you sharing a little bit about who the authors were that most influenced you when you began writing and then who inspires you today? |
| Peter James | Great question. The two big influences in a way were, first there was Graham Greene. I read Graham Greene’s, Brighton Rock. |
| Peter James | When I was 14, I read it for the first time as a kid growing up in Brighton. That, that was a book that… I think it was a game changer for the the crime genre as much as it was a game changer for my life Because until that point, I’d read a lot of the…I really enjoyed the Golden Age. crime writers you know and but they tended to have ah a set format which is you tend to start with a dead body on page one. And the rest of the book is the kind of puzzle to solve it. |
| Peter James | And then Graham Greene’s Brighton Rock. The victim is still alive at the end of chapter one and in peril. It’s got it’s got one of the best opening lines I think in all of crime fiction “Within three hours of arriving in Brighton, Hale knew they meant to murder him.” |
| Peter James | Who’s Hale? Why is he in Brighton? What really blew me away about that book was… it made me realize, within the confines of of a crime novel a crime thriller you could actually look at big issues. And the central character in Brighton Rock is a 17-year-old boy gangster called Pinky. He was a killer. He’s actually committed murder. |
| Peter James | And he’s a devout Catholic. Terrified of eternal damnation. And he’s in charge of a bunch of middle-aged… uh misfit criminals running this gang. And it’s is it’s a wonderful book. He’s so conflicted. And ah it has… if you haven’t read it i think it has psychologically the darkest ending of of any novel I’ve ever read. And I put that book down at the age of 14 and I thought “One day I’m going to try and write a crime novel set in Brighton”. |
| Peter James | And the other book that was a huge influence on me. was um and a writer also, so not just a book, Arthur Hailey, the American writer. I read Hotel just after it was first published, I think around 1966. And… I honestly was utterly…Not only was it just blown away, I was quite despondent because I thought, how can anybody write a book as good as that? And if you don’t i don’t, do either of you know the book? |
| Brook | No. |
| Sarah | No. |
| Peter James | Okay, you have a treat. I think it’s out of print, but you can get it off second-hand eBay sites or whatever. It’s all set in a grand but very tired hotel in New Orleans. And it’s got an elderly owner who’s reluctant to spend any money. He’s got a young ambitious manager who’s trying to bring the hotel up. All the big chains like Hilton are circling like vultures awaiting the pants And in the hotel… they haven’t. |
| Peter James | A career burglar who is steadily working his way through the rooms stealing from them. We’ve got an elderly British aristocratic couple who’ve just killed someone in a hit and run accident and they’re hiding out in the hotel. And you know that there is a faulty elevator that is going to come down at some point and take people with it. It’s got most tremendous suspense, but more than anything, you really learn how a hotel works. |
| Peter James | You get inside the heads of the manager so many different characters including like the maintenance manager, the elevator operator. And I put that book down when I first time I read it I thought “wow If you want to write a blockbuster, you…You have to do your research”. |
| Brook | That, that is something that we learned about you when we um when we covered you in a…bio episode is your… attention to research. So that It’s interesting to know that that’s something that you grasped onto as a really young reader. |
| Peter James | Yeah, I think. I mean, I I also did have a kind of… quite a hard learning curve and that my first published books were two very bad spy thrillers cool ah then I’m only giving you the title so you don’t ever read them. Dead Letter Drop an Atom Bomb Angel. And they were published in 1981, 1982, and you it was the most exciting day of my life when I was offered a two-book deal. |
| Peter James | It was the worst day of my life when the first one came out because I’d run out to all the bookshops and it wasn’t anywhere. And I discovered the publishers. It was a big publisher, W.H. Allen. but they’d only printed 1,800 hardback coffees of which 1,500 had gone to libraries. So that’s 300 copies for the whole of the UK and commonwealth. |
| Peter James | Um, And neither book sold at all well, and I was at a publishing party. and I was really despondent and I had too much to drink and I poured my heart out to a lady called Elizabeth who at that time was writing jacket blurb for for Penguin. and She’s now a very successful author in her own right. |
| Peter James | And she gave me a sort of pitiful look and she said, darling, Why are you writing spy thrillers? i said well i read that There was a shortage. Ian Fleming had died. And she said, “And what can you tell the world about spies?” |
| Peter James | She said, you know, you’re up against people like John le Carré who’ve come out of the security services. She said, people who read. are intelligent. they don’t just want a story. They want to learn something. |
| Peter James | You know, they want to learn. but the author’s wisdom about life, the subject the author is writing about. You’ve got to find something that, A, interests you passionately. |
| Peter James | And b that you can access and research. And I kind of left that party with my kind of tail between my legs thinking, well, that’s probably it. My career’s over. And three days later, my Their wife and I were just born. Just got married, just bought a house and we got burgled. |
| Peter James | It turned out to be… the Part of the best thing that ever happened in my life. because apart from the fact that bastard took the trousers of my favorite suit to obviously wrap some ornament up in. |
| Peter James | But, two detectives came to take fingerprints. And they saw my two books. They saw my two books. He said, oh, you’re a… You’re a writer. If you ever want research help with the police, give me a call. |
| Peter James | And his name was Mike Harris, and he he was married to a detective called Bernardo. And… my then wife was a lawyer we became friends with them and they invited us to a barbecue that summer at the house and 12 of their friends were there. All police officers there was a homicide detective a response officer a traffic officer a SOCO, a police diver. And just talking to these people. |
| Peter James | I thought, “wow from ah from a writer’s perspective nobody sees more of human life in a 30-year career than a police officer”. And when they realized I was genuinely interested, not just about to get a story I could sell to the local rag, they started to invite me to spend time with them. And I started writing initially supernatural thrillers and then psychological thrillers, putting police characters in. And they liked the way I portrayed them. |
| Peter James | I tried to portray them as real people, not just…men in sharp suits or men in uniforms or ladies in uniforms but people who go to deal with a horrendous crime scene then have to go home and bath their kids and put them to bed and read them a story and and the the impact it has on their life. |
| Peter James | And over the next really the next 15 years. I sort of became part of the furniture of Sussex Police. They would phone me up and say, “we’re doing a raid tomorrow, do you want to come?” And they’d smuggle me into crime scenes. And that’s for how it all really started. |
| Brook | That’s fascinating. Well, you also have a background in film and screenwriting. How has that experience influenced the way you approach writing your novels? |
| Peter James | I think it’s been enormously helpful. I I stopped. with film and television other than… Grace. on television, two thousand and end of 2004, the last film I was involved with. I ran the company that made Merchant of Venice with Al Pacino. |
| Peter James | But before that I had a mixture of film and television. And I think it’s been enormously helpful. I’ll tell you something really, this sounds crass. But one of the…Back in the in the mid 90s, I sold the pilot of a television, a kind of like a sitcom about early days of the internet about a guy who fakes his identity it never got made. But I’m in the writing room. |
| Peter James | And there’s like a showrunner. And I’m told that we have to have a gag every 14 seconds? And… the idea the apparently the The psychology behind that is that 50% of the American television audience at any one time are channel surfing. |
| Peter James | They hit a gag. By the time they finished laughing, the next gag hits. So, they stay. Look, I don’t put a gag every 15 lines in a book. But I’m mindful that you have to keep putting a hook in. um Because… if you were If you were writing back in Thackeray’s time or Dickens’ time, the there there was no other nothing else that would would take your reader away unless they wanted to go and do a tapestry or or something you know. Now you know we’re when we’re writing we’ve got conscious that somebody could drop my book at any moment and go on to a computer game or watch television or listen to a podcast whatever. And so I do firmly believe it’s… in the importance of keeping the reader absolutely turning the pages and not letting them go. So that was one takeaway from television and and film. |
| Peter James | And the other takeaway, which I think has always stood me in good stead, is that and again, it’s part of that keeping the reader’s attention. You know, television or movies, when you watch, you jump from scene to scene. Somebody’s in danger, boom, and you go to them some characters that are having lunch. Then you jump back to the person in danger, that kind of thing. And I do that a lot in my writing. That I think that’s really helped me to create suspenseful writing. |
| Peter James | And, and I think the third takeaway is… You don’t tend to get long scenes in movies or television. I write the way I think most people like to read, certainly, I like the way I like to read, you know I usually read in bed at night when I’m tired. I pick up a book, and the next chapter is 53 pages. I think I’ll sod that I have that tomorrow. |
| Peter James | but Oh, it’s only one page. I’ll read that. Oh, the next chapter is only two and a half pages. Next thing it’s 3 in the morning. |
| Sarah | Just talking a little bit more about research, we understand that you spent a day working at a hotel as research for part of your… um most recent book, Dead in Three Two One. Is that… First-hand experience a regular part of your research process? |
| Peter James | ah Yeah, very much so. I feel… It’s really important to… kind of just not look outside it’s to try and get involved and i really feel what it’s like and the manager of The Grand Hotel in Brighton, which is quite a famous hotel said to me “Why don’t you come and spend a day as a concierge and really get to know a little bit?” So I did. i had I was put in full uniform. They have quite a fancy uniform, and I was stood behind the concierge desk. I’d been there about five minutes, and somebody came up to me and asked where I could… get a lady of the night. |
| Peter James | This is like 11 in the morning. I, I said “well i can recommend you good restaurants, sir.“ but you know that’s Um, and then um And then I… I saw this elderly couple struggling with their bags. So I stepped out and I took their bags and I carried them out to their car. I put them in the trunk of the car. And the guy pressed his five pound note in my hand. So I got a five pound tip. |
| Peter James | And I learned so much stuff about what… How staff in a hotel actually look at observe the guests. You know we check in a hotel and you see ah usually, you you see the uniforms, you you see that you don’t really kind of think too much about the characters, but they’re looking at us all the time. |
| Peter James | And I was talking to the restaurant manager of another hotel and I said, and what what do you notice? He said, “well, breakfast is interesting. Because if if you look at breakfast, you’ve got all the couples, and they’re sitting at the tables. These days most of them will be on their phones A small amount will be reading a newspaper. an even smaller amount will be actually talking to each other and if they’re talking to each other you’ll know one of two things. Either they’re newlywed or they’re having an affair.” |
| Brook | Wow. |
| Peter James | It was it was ah It was a real… I am and I and I work I was behind the scenes in quite a lot of hotels another another restaurant manager said to me said You know, in a hotel, guests are the ornaments. |
| Peter James | In a restaurant. I said “seriously?” he said “yeah, I said if you you Imagine a restaurant take a nice restaurant and you fill it with hikers wearing wet cagoules and anoraks, it’s going to have one vibe. Fill it with men in sharp suits and women in power dresses. It’s going to have another vibe. Fit it with people, young people. Cooly dressed. It’s going to have a different vibe again.” |
| Peter James | And… what the inspiration for the for Dead in Three Two One came really from two two things. And the book starts… with You should probably know. Would you like me to read you the first paragraph? |
| Brook | Oh that would be wonderful. |
| Sarah | sure Yeah, that’d be great. |
| Peter James | Friday August the 1st 2025. A tanned man of 40 standing at the front desk of Brighton seafront’s fabled Royal Courtenay Hotel looked pleased with himself. The confident air of someone one who had it all and knew it. Good looks. Great hair. Expensive suit. Nice watch. His arm was draped around a beautiful woman. He had a smile on his face. And a bomb. in his suitcase. |
| Peter James | Now the inspiration for that. I mean… What I was trying to… Not every book, but I like it as a technique is have two completely different storylines. So, I’ve got this guy checking in the hotel with a bomb and we’re going to find out without any spoilers. His target is Roy Grace, who’s going to be staying at the hotel in a week’s time with his wife Cleo. And an Albanian gangster that Roy has put away wants him and his wife dead. |
| Peter James | And then I have a separate storyline, which is an elderly lady. who is a permanent resident in this hotel. And I had asked… several hotel managers of of grand hotels I said “you know it must be wonderful to have long stay guests, because you’ve got a guaranteed income for years.” And all of them astonished me. They said, “No. They’re a bloody nuisance.” |
| Brook | Ha ha. |
| Peter James | I said, “Really?” He said, yeah. And they all said. “First thing is, it stops us from being able to rent the hotel to a to a corporation for a conference. which which is very lucrative.” And secondly, after a few years, they become proprietorial. So they’ll they’ll go down at cocktail hour and they’ll hold court in the bar. And, you know, guests come in and and they’ll go, “Hey, you know, this hotel. Standards have gone right down. It’s not what it used to be at all, you know.” |
| Brook | Ha ha. |
| Peter James | So I thought it would be kind of fun to have this long stay guest named Jean de Beard and her we we learn how. Her husband died 15 years ago. She found it lonely at home, so she moved into the most expensive suite in the Royal Courtenay and has never left. And she’s got a 50-year-old son who’s got two failed businesses. And she’s got a daughter who’s just been through an acrimonious divorce and not got very much money. And they’re both watching mummy burning through their inheritance. |
| Peter James | So they enlist the services of a of a bent lawyer. and a struck-off doctor to try to hasten Mummy’s death. Um, But the the the kind of backdrop to the to the to the book was… i and I grew up in Brighton and I’m sure it must have made the news. |
| Peter James | In North America, too, in 1984, the IRA tried to murder the Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher by blowing up her suite at the Grand Hotel in Brighton during the Conservative Party conference. |
| Peter James | And what happened was they sent an operative called Patrick McGee. With a bomb. time to go off at 1:30 in the morning. And he checked in a month before the conservative party conference and had specifically booked the suite Margaret Thatcher would be staying in. And he planted the bomb behind the panelling in a bathroom. What saved her life was that she was a workaholic. And was still up and awake and working at half past one in the morning. |
| Peter James | But it it killed six people and and very seriously injured a number of others. And the police as part of the investigation started going back four weeks in the hotel register, checking on all the guests who’d been there four weeks before and that the police were eight were making calls and the conversation would go something like this “Hello, or may we speak to Mr Paul Johnson?” |
| Peter James | “Oh, I’m very exhausted at the moment because of his wife speaking. Can I help you?” “Yes, we’d like to speak to him about when he stayed at the Grand Hotel in September about four weeks ago.” “Oh no, no, he was fishing in Northern Ireland with his mates then.” |
| Peter James | It caused eight divorces. |
| Brook | Well, speaking of those different storylines and points of view, That you um put into a book. Do you write these storylines separately? And then knit them together, or do you write the chapters in the order that the audience eventually finds them in? |
| Peter James | I pretty much write in in sequence. I do sometimes a bit like editing a movie. I’m might… think a chapter might work better if I moved it a couple of places forwards but i but i write in I guess real time. Um, I find that, for me, that’s what works best. I’ve actually got a book on writing coming out the year after next. |
| Brook | Oh that’s wonderful. |
| Sarah | Wonderful. |
| Peter James | It’s kind of mixture of kind of a bit in the vein of Stephen King’s On Writing so a little bit of autobiography but mostly kind of how they’re writing in. It’s cool. It’s called Write the Damn Book. |
| Brook | I love it |
| Sarah | Oh that That sounds great. |
| Peter James | But I kind of like a mixture of planning and… and spontaneity. I always think I think it’s I always like to know the ending of the book I’m going to get to. And I plan the first hundred pages also in quite a lot of detail. but I love it when something pops in my head that wasn’t there 10 seconds ago. I always sort of say if I don’t surprise myself, I won’t surprise my readers. |
| Brook | We also read that you are a quite um consistent writer. Do you write daily on a regular schedule. |
| Peter James | Yeah, once I’ve started a book, it takes me about seven months from the kind of time I write the first line to the time I write the end. And I have a kind of I have a kind of slightly back-to-front writing day, which started when i was working full-time in film and television and writing in my kind of so-called free time. I made my me time to write like six to half eight at night And I’m still, that still sticks in a way. |
| Peter James | My best creative time. It’s six o ‘clock in the evening. I do that six days a week, except if we’re going out something for friends, but normally six days a week. I make a stiff vodka martini. put on music and I just get in the zone and I love it. And then I stop about 8:30. Have supper with my wife we watch television afterwards or read take the dogs out. |
| Peter James | And then in the morning I kind of. Again, but we have a huge menagerie of animals. So it takes us about an hour to feed all the animals and walk the dogs. And then I usually go for a run. And then about 11 I hunker down and I read what I read the night before, and edit. And I when I write, every evening I try to hit a child over about a thousand words. |
| Peter James | And then by the time I’ve edited it the next day it’ll become about 1500. And I do that for for all the roughly seven months each book takes. And then it’s about another five months of editing, but slightly less intense. |
| Brook | Mm hmm. So. um considering those word counts you, and your short chapters, you might write a chapter a day. |
| Peter James | I try to, yeah, I like… If I can finish the chapter, it’s great. I love… kind of going to sleep trying to think thinking about what I’m going to be. writing in the next chapter sometimes i’ll write two chapters on a really short chapter. Um, I kind of I like that I really do I just it just for me it works and Certainly a lot of my readers tell me they they really like the fact that I make it easy to read the books. |
| Sarah | Arthur Conan Doyle famously grew tired of Sherlock Holmes and tried to kill him off. After more than two decades of writing Roy Grace, how do you keep the character and the writing fresh? |
| Peter James | It’s a great question. Part of course is the Roy Grace and all his uh other characters and the police with him are are like a huge soap opera. I’ve and i’ve got all their different lives uh going on they’re sort of train crash of their love lives. But I feel very invested in their lives. And I yeah really enjoy seeing what’s happening and surprising myself sometimes. |
| Peter James | But also I what I what I’ve also not done is I haven’t aged Roy Grace a lot and Ian Rankin when he wrote Rebus aged him a year every book. And he hit 60 and he had a problem because that’s retirement age i mean luckily Scotland raised the retirement age to 65, so he suddenly had four five more. |
| Peter James | But I… I didn’t want to do that. the For two reasons. One is I didn’t want to age him too quickly. But secondly, when we first meet Roy in the first book, we learn that his wife, Sandy, who he loved and adored. that had vanished off the face of the earth nine years earlier. And he spent nine years looking for her. Doesn’t know what happened you know did she get murdered? Did she run off with a lover? Did she get kidnapped? Did she take her own life? |
| Peter James | And so while he continue to function for nine years as an effective homicide detective. All his free time has been taken up. trying to trying to find her. and I originally I was going to set the mystery up in the first book as to what happened. |
| Peter James | uh I had just had a two-book deal. So I i was going to set the mystery up in book one and reveal what happened to her in book two. And to my astonishment, happy astonishment, Dead Simple, when it came out, was an instant global success. |
| Peter James | And we were inundated with people Rita speculating what might have happened to Sandy. And I thought, “you know what, I can keep this going”. So as part of the keeping it fresh for 14 books, I kept the mystery of Sandy going. you know In the meantime, Roy has fallen in love with Cleo, who runs the mortuary. And I’m in each book started to seed a little bit, nuggets of information about Sandy. And that maybe she is not quite the perfect wife for you think she thinks she was. |
| Peter James | So I kept a lot of intrigue going that way. Eventually, round about book 14, the tone of the correspondence from Rita started changing. And i have one which said “Dear Mr James I’ve, I’ve just worked out that I’m a lot younger than you and I imagine I’m much fitter than you. which means you’re going to die before me. So, I hope you’ve left a secret of what happens to Sandy safely in your publisher’s hands. |
| Peter James | I get the first that way. And then also. It’s gonna be a year of my life to write a book, son what I try always to do is to choose something that I really want to learn about and that I’m interested to write about. Whether it’s internet romance fraud or the workings of a hotel um or though Or the next book is set on a cruise ship. So it’s always something that I’m keen to learn about. myself and then I think then I can put that across in an enthusiastic way to my readers. |
| Brook | So does this mean that you got to take your wife on a cruise for research for this next book? |
| Peter James | Well, I’ve done quite a lot of cruises as a guest speaker over the years, in which I love doing. It’s a great gig. and I was on the Queen Mary back in about 2018 and we were up on the bridge and I was talking to the captain. I said, yeah “have you ever had a murder on this ship?” |
| Peter James | And he said “no not on this ship,” he said. “But you might be interested to know 34 people a year disappear off cruise ships around the world”. |
| Sarah | Wow. |
| Peter James | I thought, that sounds interesting. Darling! You know, why don’t you go on the balcony and have a cigarette? No? You go overboard from a cruise ship in the middle of the night you ain’t coming back And so thought I thought… What a great… place so i have i have cleo is been invited. to as a guest speaker to talk about working in a mortuary on on the queen on ah my fictitious cruise ship and Roy’s just gone along for the for the, for the… holiday. And of course And of course, something happens. |
| Brook | Oh, that will That will be fun. |
| Sarah | So, you opened talking about books that were influential on your becoming an author. What book do you wish that you could read again for the first time? |
| Peter James | Wow that’s a great I guess it’s probably… Two. One is Silence of the Lambs, which I rate as… Put it up. the best crime thriller. Not just the last 50 years, maybe ever. I think it’s just an amazing book. And the other is Kurt Vonnegut’s Slaughterhouse-Five had a massive impact. I read that when I was at… I went to film school and I was just coming up to 22. And I read that book. It hasn’t been published that long. And I put it down and I… Because I didn’t know you couldn’t, I I called up International telephone directory inquirers. |
| Peter James | And I got his number in Martha’s Vineyard, and I called him. And he answered. And he was utterly charming. I said, “oh, hi, I’m yeah I’m Peter James. I’m a film student. And i I just read your book. And I think it’s amazing. Could i yeah know I’d love to buy the rights and make a movie of it.” |
| Peter James | And he was really sweet. He said, “Oh, gee, I said, you know what, Peter? I’m so sorry, I just sold the rights only a few months back, but… But I tell you what, you give me your number, and if they don’t make the movie, I’m gonna call you.” |
| Brook | That is such a great story. And I’m so happy that he was kind to this young film student. |
| Peter James | And it made me realize the importance of being kind to kind of and ah young people, and young young writers, and young everybody. did Yeah, I’ve forever loved him. |
| Sarah | wow |
| Brook | Oh that’s wonderful. |
| Brook | We would like to thank both you and your publisher for um generously giving us. advanced copies of your latest book, Dead in Three Two One. The suspense and the tension just are so skillfully done. So how do you how do you create that tension for readers? |
| Peter James | I think, one thing i love doing is kind of creating a ticking clock and it’s normally an imaginary one just you a scenario where events are coming to climax but in Dead in Three Two One The clue is in the title. There is actually a clicking clock. |
| Peter James | It’s um It’s a bomb. um that’s gonna go off unless it’s kind of diffused so it gave me a really natural ticking plot right throughout the whole book in a sense and and that was really good fun and i learned quite a lot about getting into locked phones. And how difficult it actually is. With Companies like Apple don’t give away any any help to the police. |
| Peter James | And it can take some phones it can actually take I think the longest, there’s one phone it takes. It would take the police 21 years to get into. So know that ah that was a really big kind of learning curve for me. And I had a lot of fun writing the the real. I was getting quite sweaty writing the tension scenes myself. So when that happens, I know it’s working. |
| Brook | It definitely worked. |
| Peter James | Thank you. |
| Sarah | So let’s end with where can readers find you? |
| Peter James | Okay. You can find me on my website, which is www.peterjames.com and that’s got everything up on there and it’s i’m on Instagram and Facebook, TikTok. And I have my own so little video channel. I used to do Twitter. I don’t do that anymore. |
| Sarah | We will add links to all of those places in the show notes. |
| Peter James | Thank you. |
| Sarah | Well, Peter, thank you so much for joining us today and spending time. sharing about your books and the way you write It has been a ah real pleasure to have you. Join us. |
| Peter James | Thank you. It’s been a joy to be with you two. |
| Brook | And thank you listeners for joining us today on Clued in Mystery. But until next time. I’m Brook. |
| Sarah | And I’m Sarah. And we both love mystery. |
